Space Digest Tue, 10 Aug 93 Volume 17 : Issue 007 Today's Topics: Auction of Soviet space goodies British astronaut tour Did NOAA-I get up OK? man-made meteor storm? Mars Observer's First Photo (MEDIA WANTS DIGITAL IMAGES!) Moon Rocks For Sale Newton's method S.H. is a hypocrite (3 msgs) Space Shuttle Challenger Titan IV failure. Info? (4 msgs) Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Aug 1993 01:05:02 GMT From: Josh Hopkins Subject: Auction of Soviet space goodies Newsgroups: sci.space higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >My morning mail had a message from Dennis W. Webb > which he's given me permission to quote: >[begin Webb message] >There was a front-page article in yesterday's (Sunday) NY Times >about an upcoming auction at Sotheby's of Soviet space program >memorabilia. [End of Webb message] >More details from the 8 August *Times* article: >Auction is 11 December. Stuff will be on display at Sotheby's for a >week preceding the auction. (We may hope that some Usenet >correspondent will report on this...) >I would *really* like to have Sergei Korolyov's slide rule. Do you >suppose 100 bucks would take it? (-: I don't know. I might overbid you. Does anyone in the space memorabilia market know how much this stuff is likely to go for? I mean orders of magnitude here, I realize that it depends a lot on the buyers. How does one determine the authenticity of these things? Is it possible to bid on a Sotheby's auction without actually being there? I'm not really thinking about buying this stuff but I'm still curious what the answers might be. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:00:00 -0500 From: Charles Radley Subject: British astronaut tour Newsgroups: sci.space Available for talks and lectures. Helen Sharman - Britain's first astronaut. In 1991 Dr. Helen Sharman became Britain's first person in space, spending eight days on board Russia's MIR space station, conducting a range of experiments and other work. Selected from over 13,000 applicants, after listening and responding to a radio advertisement, Helen spent 18 months in training for the Juno mission. A Chemical Engineer by profession, Helen Sharman is considered a role model by anybody who strives for achievement, values, training, relies on teamwork, and believes that the sky is the limit ! Video and slide support material and space artifacts available. N. American contact: Charles Radley P. O. Box 30236 Middleburg Heights OH 44130 USA Telephone: (216)-891-9735 ... Internet address:- DJ320@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Ad Astra per Guile ! ... Internet address:- DJ320@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Ad Astra per Guile ! --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 02:47:27 GMT From: Dean Adams Subject: Did NOAA-I get up OK? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Aug9.182031.14699@info.brad.ac.uk> t.d.g.sandford@bradford.ac.uk (Thomas Sandford) writes: >The environmental/meteorological satellite NOAA-I (to become NOAA-13 if it >works ok) was supposed to have been launched at 1002Z on 8th August. Does >anyone have any information about whether this launch took place/was >successful? The launch was delayed 24 hours, but everything went off perfectly. I know because I was there watching... :-) There were some WX problems that posed a slight threat, but at the last minute they got the go ahead to proceed. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1993 05:42:50 GMT From: Eric Shafto Subject: man-made meteor storm? Newsgroups: sci.space I was trying to figure out what it would take to make a man-made meteor swarm, but I'm afraid I'm not clever enough by half. Could an ordinary shotgun or rifle, fired from the shuttle, fire its projectiles to where they would experience enough atmospheric drag to re-enter? If so, would they be as impressive as real meteors, or are they not travelling fast enough to give off that much light? I thought it might be kind of neat to fill a shell with shot made from different metals, and make a multi-colored meteor shower. >From my inadequate calculations, though, it seemed that the delta-v from a shotgun wouldn't be nearly enough. Am I right? Thanks. -- *Eric Shafto * The excursion is the same when you go looking * *Institute for the * for your sorrow as when you go looking for * * Learning Sciences * your joy. * *Northwestern University * Eudora Welty, The Wide Net * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 06:27:14 GMT From: Steve Collins Subject: Mars Observer's First Photo (MEDIA WANTS DIGITAL IMAGES!) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary The Mars image has merit from several standpoints. It provides and important data point for calibration of the camera, it lets us start to work out some of the operational problems associated with targeting and acquiring such images, it allows an assesment of the clarity of the martian atmosphere (much clearer than for viking) and it serves a public information purpose. In addition, at least some direct science could be done from the image, which has better resolution than Hubble pictures. A dust storm was observed in an area where Viking had seen similar storms in the past. Hang in there while we get ourselves in orbit. Mars Observer will return more data than all the earlier Mars missions put together... Steve Collins MO Spacecraft Team (AACS) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1993 04:17 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Moon Rocks For Sale Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary,sci.geo.geology MOON ROCKS FOR SALE August 9, 1993 Moon rocks will be auctioned off at Sotheby's auction house in New York on December 11, 1993. The moon rocks are part of a collection of 200 artifacts from the Soviet space program that will be available at the auction. The moon rocks were obtained from a Luna spacecraft in the 1970's that had scooped them up from the surface of the Moon and returned them to Earth. They are being sold by the family of Sergei Korolev. Korolev was the mastermind of the Soviet space program and died in 1966. The Moon rocks are expected to sell for around $50,000. This will be the second time that lunar material has been available at an auction. The first time was in January 1993 when Moon dust was sold at an auction house in Berverly Hills, California. The Moon dust was collected by a NASA technician onto a 2 inch piece of transparent tape from the spacesuit of astronaut Dave Scott after his Apollo 15 trip to the Moon in July, 1971. The Moon dust sold for $46,750. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | When given a choice between /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | two exciting things, choose |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | the one you haven't tried. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 93 06:24:18 GMT From: "H.S." Subject: Newton's method Newsgroups: sci.space In System Analysis, There is a method by Newton called Steeptest Descent, which is used to locate the minimum of a curve ( by continuously drawing the tangent line to the curve and intersect it with x-axis, then drawing another tangent line to the curve from the projection of the point on x-axis... continue such process until the slop of a tangent line become flat, df/dt = 0. So the minimum is found) Unfortunately, such methods only guarantee to find the local minimums, not the globe minimum. Often, it may come out to be a surprise that the global minimum is way below the local minimums which was located by Newton's methods, and it may be located somewhere far, far away from all the local minimums that can be found. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...//... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . H.S. | " Shakspeare, Shakspeare, Shakspeare, | How he was breeded . | He had seen them All! That *Place*. " | | | " Haven take my souls, England keep my bones! " | -King John, William Sha. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 1993 18:58:15 GMT From: Jeff Bytof - SIO Subject: S.H. is a hypocrite Newsgroups: sci.space [In response to S.H., a fellow Triton}: >>>Organization: San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>Hope this is not an insult. May I ask this: >>>"Are you a staff of SDSC or an *user* ? " > >>Simply a user. > Thanks A lot. This is All I want to know. > > Next time, if you are just the user, do not wear the Title of > the Organisation which you are not belong to. Wearing somebody > else's Title to send message is very ease to cause elusions. > Sometime, it could be taken as done intensionly for political > propaganda. > > Remember this: > > **You** do not represent San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD! S.H.: This is from YOUR mail header: Organization: University of California, San Diego ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You represent UCSD? Hypocrite. >>A dad of my friend's refused to believe in the Big Bang because a >>'donkey driver' had something to do with it. There must be a great >>truth somewhere here. > > Must be another fake story. May I ask here are you comming from. This story is true. The names are not given to protect them from YOU! Do me a favor, and put me in your Kill file - I've got enough flies buzzing around here. -rabjab ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 93 04:34:39 GMT From: "H.S." Subject: S.H. is a hypocrite Newsgroups: sci.space In article <2466o7$n9c@pravda.sdsc.edu> u1452@boris.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) writes: >[In response to S.H., a fellow Triton}: >>>>Organization: San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>Hope this is not an insult. May I ask this: >>>>"Are you a staff of SDSC or an *user* ? " >>>Simply a user. >> Thanks A lot. This is All I want to know. >> Next time, if you are just the user, do not wear the Title of >> the Organisation which you are not belong to. Wearing somebody >> else's Title to send message is very ease to cause elusions. >> Sometime, it could be taken as done intensionly for political >> propaganda. >> Remember this: >> **You** do not represent San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD! >S.H.: This is from YOUR mail header: >Organization: University of California, San Diego >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >You represent UCSD? Hypocrite. I am Hypocrite ? I didn't speak for *someone else* like you!!!!!!!!! That was the rereason why I said that. No matter what Title I wear, I did not speak for someone else. But that was not your case! You were wearing some title to speak for someone else. So, who is Hypocrite ??? Anyway, why are you getting so fuzzy about? I simply asked you where are you comming from ? It won't be difficult to prove that you are one of the "user group" coming here for whatever the means. >-rabjab ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1993 02:00:59 -0500 From: "John S. Novak III" Subject: S.H. is a hypocrite Newsgroups: sci.space In <2466o7$n9c@pravda.sdsc.edu> u1452@boris.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) writes: >S.H.: This is from YOUR mail header: >Organization: University of California, San Diego >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >You represent UCSD? Hypocrite. Funny, I asked him about this in mail. No reply, as of yet. Tsk, tsk. -- "What did I tell you last semester... When you think you're rightm stand your ground, and slap him in the head until he listens." -Steve Gutschlag to Carrie Weissberg. 01-28-92 John S. Novak, III darknite@camelot.bradley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1993 17:26:48 -0500 From: Frank Glover Subject: Space Shuttle Challenger Newsgroups: sci.space That was 73 seconds of flight, in the case of Challenger. (I seem to remember a 73 second, rather than 60 of silence in the crew's memory once, based on that time....) Frank ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1993 00:50:54 GMT From: Josh Hopkins Subject: Titan IV failure. Info? Newsgroups: sci.space fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article gregc@cyberspace.org (Greg Cronau) writes: >>3.) The Glomar Explorer was owned by Howard *Hughs*, not Hunt. >As far as I know, the Glomar Explorer is owned by the Woods Hole >Oceanographic Institute and the Institute was never owned by >Howard Hughs. Are we perhaps discussing Howard Hughes or is there someone else famous with a similar name? ^ -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 1993 22:48:36 -0400 From: Pat Subject: Titan IV failure. Info? Newsgroups: sci.space No i think it was the glomar explorer. they did salvage part of the soviet boat, but it broke in two during the lift. only the forward section was recovered. I believe the bodies of six soviet crewmen were buried at sea. personal effects were stored, for later return. after the mission was breached, i believe they did return these fragments. the primary objective of the mission failed. most of the secondary objectives failed after secrecy was lost too. pat -- I don't care if it's true. If it sounds good, I will publish it. Frank Bates Publisher Frank Magazine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 03:15:21 GMT From: Frank Crary Subject: Titan IV failure. Info? Newsgroups: sci.space In article quagga@trystero.com (Quagga) writes: >>>3.) The Glomar Explorer was owned by Howard *Hughs*, not Hunt. >>As far as I know, the Glomar Explorer is owned by the Woods Hole >>Oceanographic Institute and the Institute was never owned by >>Howard Hughs. >Um, wasn't this the Glomar Challenger, owned by Summa Corporation (A Hughes >company).. No, the Challenger is a surface ship and it was definitely operated by Woods Hole. That much, at least, I'm sure of since my uncle spend a decade or so working on Challenger. As someone pointed out in e-mail, the Explorer and Challenger may have been originally owned by Hughes and later given the Woods hole. (By the way, and to somehow relate this to sci.space, I beleive the space shuttle, Challenger, was officially named after the Glomar Challenger, which in turn was named after the much older warship. That was to consistantly name the shuttles after research and exploration vessels, not warships...) Frank Crary CU Boulder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:39:29 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Titan IV failure. Info? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Aug10.031521.28794@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >(By the way, and to somehow relate this to sci.space, I beleive >the space shuttle, Challenger, was officially named after the >Glomar Challenger, which in turn was named after the much older >warship. That was to consistantly name the shuttles after research >and exploration vessels, not warships...) No, the STS Reference says Challenger was named after the naval vessel. Warship it may have been, but it *did* conduct the first major expedition solely devoted to oceanography and related sciences, as I recall. The original Columbia was a naval vessel too, and I believe Captain Cook's ships (one of the Discoveries, and the original Endeavour) were as well. Civilian oceanographic vessels are a relatively recent development (and in fact I believe Atlantis was the first built as such). -- "Every time I inspect the mechanism | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology closely, more pieces fall off." | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Received: from VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU by isu.isunet.edu (5.64/A/UX-2.01) id AA17468; Mon, 9 Aug 93 20:26:51 EDT Received: from CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU by VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU id aa24608; 9 Aug 93 21:18:27 EDT To: bb-sci-space@CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU Xref: crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu sci.space:68755 Path: crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgrain!m2xenix!michaels From: Michael Sandy Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Starlite, Super Material? Message-Id: <1993Aug9.233519.9200@psg.com> Date: 9 Aug 93 23:35:19 GMT Article-I.D.: psg.1993Aug9.233519.9200 Organization: PSGnet, Portland Oregon US Lines: 15 Sender: news@CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU Source-Info: Sender is really isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU I read in BusinessWeek, of all places, about a supposed supermaterial that conducted heat very well and was almost impossible to damage with heat. The inventor called it Starlite, and if it lives up to its rep it could enable a whole new breed of space craft. Is this just another 'Cold-Fusion' tail-chase? Supposedly the guy was holding out for a 51% interest in anything that used his product, rather steeper than royalties. -- Michael Sandy michaels@m2xenix.psg.com "I resolve to make no non-tautological New Year's Resolutions!" ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 17 : Issue 007 ------------------------------